1 00:00:02,36 --> 00:00:08,60 Planning Board June seventeenth two thousand and thirteen and I'm golden to my left 2 00:00:08,61 --> 00:00:14,81 as towards people winds up in my rages Morkel white wine worse hand look down his. 3 00:00:17,98 --> 00:00:20,02 Grace right Grace right or wrong. 4 00:00:25,25 --> 00:00:31,98 Every. Right on. Public comment OK. 5 00:00:34,41 --> 00:00:35,98 Oh election of officers. 6 00:00:41,55 --> 00:00:47,88 So. Case F Y thirteen there seventeen approved was final say twenty in 7 00:00:48,68 --> 00:00:52,86 the case and by Broadway electrical incorporated youngers only by lawyers Article 8 00:00:52,87 --> 00:00:56,50 two Section twenty three twenty high elevation protection district 9 00:00:56,59 --> 00:01:01,17 a. It's what you. 10 00:01:05,11 --> 00:01:11,96 Thought you already voted on. Your son. Would you sign 11 00:01:12,07 --> 00:01:18,63 it yeah you know I mean you could hear him crying in on change every day. All right 12 00:01:18,63 --> 00:01:22,79 . I was not here so should I not sign it. 13 00:01:31,18 --> 00:01:37,30 No unless you want to. Work with the other three members here. Who are married and 14 00:01:37,31 --> 00:01:41,74 coming they were off last Yeah there were only three here when it was first last 15 00:01:41,75 --> 00:01:47,02 meeting of minds work. About this far. 16 00:01:48,79 --> 00:01:54,93 From us you. See right there I don't have any really every no no I mean. 17 00:01:56,14 --> 00:02:02,34 I don't have any. So the only plan that he gave us at the last meeting showed 18 00:02:02,35 --> 00:02:09,02 a six foot access he's been. Chasing. The 19 00:02:09,92 --> 00:02:15,29 solar array. I didn't think that was quite enough I would say to all our 20 00:02:15,30 --> 00:02:18,29 circulation transportation so we made 21 00:02:18,30 --> 00:02:25,15 a fifteen dollars yearly change it was. Done with that I have 22 00:02:25,16 --> 00:02:31,96 a packet but I didn't know it was coming I did I was missing. Pretty. 23 00:02:33,14 --> 00:02:37,61 Good luck to guess that it was the way I would have wanted to touch it again and it 24 00:02:37,62 --> 00:02:44,60 was right there. And thank you for signing with. 25 00:02:46,06 --> 00:02:53,03 The promise of just playing with yours but that was. The ever changing of the 26 00:02:53,68 --> 00:03:00,45 whole thing and. I was like You're right there was I wasn't there but I was hanging 27 00:03:00,46 --> 00:03:01,50 out for it so that it's. 28 00:03:07,77 --> 00:03:08,07 The. 29 00:03:16,45 --> 00:03:22,16 Morning. That. We should feel the stuff. 30 00:03:29,57 --> 00:03:34,12 We already have the feeling. Of my. 31 00:03:36,78 --> 00:03:43,21 Urge like you know when I start going to start tossing it all. Right. I really 32 00:03:44,06 --> 00:03:49,74 don't need the back right John needs to say I will take you are you take. Me I can 33 00:03:49,98 --> 00:03:55,78 tell you one of these plans back to the old one. Right there from what's being 34 00:03:55,86 --> 00:04:01,92 recycled I can just hear what I don't. Hear Yeah I'd rather have them come back in 35 00:04:01,93 --> 00:04:06,91 your reasoning that OK we are sure. OK. 36 00:04:08,93 --> 00:04:13,88 That also has the sections that pertain to. You could. 37 00:04:20,39 --> 00:04:27,29 Write. As the new right. There would be there were three of us here last week 38 00:04:27,46 --> 00:04:29,97 that we're signing. Right. 39 00:04:35,40 --> 00:04:42,15 For you argue no. Regard to my text kind might not know all the rules but at least 40 00:04:42,73 --> 00:04:49,56 we're going to find out going to be. All right. You know 41 00:04:49,62 --> 00:04:55,57 run case for it to Team dash sixteen states then review every cation by Daniel 42 00:04:55,58 --> 00:04:56,34 Kaiser not 43 00:04:56,35 --> 00:05:06,90 a march twenty five military road from the mess of legal surety bond. Purchases 44 00:05:06,91 --> 00:05:12,41 every have their. Little caffeine this. Well. 45 00:05:14,13 --> 00:05:15,62 We are 46 00:05:15,63 --> 00:05:22,63 a few days shy of our. Deadline for filing the site. So we need 47 00:05:22,70 --> 00:05:25,12 to. Make 48 00:05:25,13 --> 00:05:32,08 a decision on how you want to handle the mess. So that we can 49 00:05:32,52 --> 00:05:39,44 borrow. If you recall. We place 50 00:05:39,45 --> 00:05:45,60 conditions for fines for. Two issues. 51 00:05:46,71 --> 00:05:53,51 Don't. Generally were applied to private property. So we 52 00:05:53,83 --> 00:06:00,68 fired. When we can now so as to whether or not. That 53 00:06:00,69 --> 00:06:07,03 was the proper way coaching it was and. As you can see in town councils 54 00:06:07,04 --> 00:06:13,57 comments she certainly she raises some concern about that. In terms of 55 00:06:14,68 --> 00:06:17,98 paying for inserting themselves from what would otherwise be 56 00:06:17,99 --> 00:06:24,85 a seven hour. She does recommend. That the airplane 57 00:06:24,89 --> 00:06:28,68 board consider condition and stop or maintain and provide evidence of liability 58 00:06:28,69 --> 00:06:33,33 insurance and that the developer in those private property owners who may be 59 00:06:33,34 --> 00:06:35,54 impacted could and should encourage to reach 60 00:06:35,55 --> 00:06:40,79 a private cream and that would create unnecessary rights and obligations by and 61 00:06:40,80 --> 00:06:46,19 between private prodding parties without involving training for. Creation or 62 00:06:46,20 --> 00:06:51,53 maintenance expenditure of escrow funds that are to be used for private purposes. 63 00:06:52,72 --> 00:06:58,89 So we did contact the African. And we discussed the issue with the African. 64 00:07:00,75 --> 00:07:07,24 Police are you going to be here and I it's been an e-mail. So he just assume go 65 00:07:07,25 --> 00:07:13,34 forward with it about. A little what's the problem. Yes. 66 00:07:14,90 --> 00:07:21,36 He's concerned about it bothers I recently he's OK with. Providing those 67 00:07:21,37 --> 00:07:28,16 funds. So and the last 68 00:07:28,17 --> 00:07:35,05 page of the packet generally is the lot of that we submit which 69 00:07:35,06 --> 00:07:40,76 is Treasury Treasurer to initiate the bonds that. 70 00:07:43,29 --> 00:07:46,47 We will amend this Maksim will add 71 00:07:46,48 --> 00:07:51,94 a sentence that says the bond will be do at the time of building permit issuance. 72 00:07:52,95 --> 00:07:56,94 For the time frame because the growth management project can't move forward 73 00:07:56,95 --> 00:08:00,27 immediately we normally do not require them to. 74 00:08:03,75 --> 00:08:04,51 Ask of funds in 75 00:08:04,52 --> 00:08:08,03 a toll such time that work will be completed we don't want to be holding on to 76 00:08:08,04 --> 00:08:14,89 their money for over two years it takes up long to get through. So we'll add 77 00:08:15,52 --> 00:08:19,71 that sentence in there that. We didn't do in this crowd. 78 00:08:22,96 --> 00:08:28,17 So. What we need for the plan imports you do is to. 79 00:08:30,04 --> 00:08:36,01 Either just confirm your previous vote and approve pon. 80 00:08:37,33 --> 00:08:41,99 The escrow account agreement. Or. 81 00:08:44,15 --> 00:08:50,16 Have you reconsider your vote for your side plan approval to change your conditions 82 00:08:50,16 --> 00:08:56,96 . To the insurance requirement. Leave the bond 83 00:08:56,97 --> 00:09:03,42 issue. The escrow fund out of it out of this. Condition. 84 00:09:04,67 --> 00:09:11,45 Have we had any instances where we've had. We've taken or we've had 85 00:09:12,02 --> 00:09:18,35 and that not directly but that there have there has been damage. Like how would 86 00:09:18,36 --> 00:09:20,59 that work if if 87 00:09:20,63 --> 00:09:25,63 a neighbor said yes this is Mark damage who's going to actually go out and look at 88 00:09:25,64 --> 00:09:29,35 it one of the last time we had one David was up on Miller Hill that we have that 89 00:09:29,77 --> 00:09:32,44 was for the road and then once it was right once 90 00:09:32,45 --> 00:09:36,87 a permit was approved in the board then the board released it it really was you 91 00:09:36,88 --> 00:09:43,70 know. It was right so what would be part of 92 00:09:43,71 --> 00:09:49,40 this requirement is that we're going to require the application engineer to do 93 00:09:49,41 --> 00:09:52,64 a survey of the existing conditions and 94 00:09:52,65 --> 00:09:58,40 a report now become part of the file they'll do whatever work they need to do to 95 00:09:58,88 --> 00:10:04,82 complete their development. Once they generally where so. 96 00:10:11,03 --> 00:10:12,55 Funds will be returned 97 00:10:12,88 --> 00:10:19,31 a part completion of installation and capping of the foundation. Then they can the 98 00:10:19,32 --> 00:10:20,23 engineer can submit 99 00:10:20,24 --> 00:10:26,63 a report that. No damage occurred and that's generally the time frame in which 100 00:10:27,23 --> 00:10:28,29 you buy this we need to make 101 00:10:28,37 --> 00:10:35,27 a claim and make that claim to you since you're holding the escrow. It 102 00:10:35,28 --> 00:10:41,73 would not be desirable scenario. So presumably you know Jerry and 103 00:10:42,33 --> 00:10:47,81 I curse and at that point upon or cast you can go to release the funds. 104 00:10:51,26 --> 00:10:57,36 So I can we've done this before we've never really experienced damage. And in fact 105 00:10:57,37 --> 00:11:03,58 we have done it before in private property although it's not advised. I think 106 00:11:04,41 --> 00:11:06,27 often lain is private also. 107 00:11:11,33 --> 00:11:15,84 Now we've done it several times for thout one of these we talked about is that if 108 00:11:15,85 --> 00:11:22,28 we when we do it. The developer really doesn't want to deal with 109 00:11:22,46 --> 00:11:28,68 complaints so if something gets damaged in the process they fix. Before it ever 110 00:11:28,69 --> 00:11:33,52 gets to that point. Likelihood is they'll lose more money out of their buying if 111 00:11:33,53 --> 00:11:39,12 they don't just fix it you know like you and me and we've also set up the thing 112 00:11:39,13 --> 00:11:39,31 with 113 00:11:39,32 --> 00:11:51,09 a metal plate so yes. But retaining. You 114 00:11:51,10 --> 00:11:52,27 know what you know this is 115 00:11:52,28 --> 00:11:58,34 a canard that RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. Right right 116 00:11:59,18 --> 00:12:03,12 may just feel like you feel like me that's right yeah right right and it may feel 117 00:12:03,13 --> 00:12:09,32 like we should yes it's unfair for us to be. Making decisions on private 118 00:12:10,24 --> 00:12:17,23 having something. This may just feels like. China may 119 00:12:17,24 --> 00:12:17,70 actually be 120 00:12:17,71 --> 00:12:24,58 a very nice. Bearer for the asking for something 121 00:12:24,59 --> 00:12:30,54 like Yeah yeah. You know I think that. 122 00:12:31,69 --> 00:12:37,18 You know considering that the you know applicant is asking for us to go here. I 123 00:12:37,19 --> 00:12:37,91 would make 124 00:12:37,92 --> 00:12:47,47 a motion to go ahead with that. And I would second. There. So 125 00:12:47,53 --> 00:12:47,73 that's 126 00:12:47,74 --> 00:12:54,74 a motion gentlemen to. Move forward with your or something dition and to approve 127 00:12:55,74 --> 00:13:02,53 the escrow account Prima. Pending the changes that we can make 128 00:13:02,54 --> 00:13:08,87 a certain thing outside and agreement that he'd like to see. Before we move on. 129 00:13:12,15 --> 00:13:18,84 You know it's like distance so with the with the metal plates that's really. I 130 00:13:18,85 --> 00:13:23,08 don't know why we wouldn't put it in here is how good it is in America if it's in 131 00:13:23,09 --> 00:13:28,88 the original Martian then that power should be repeated here. So well abducting 132 00:13:28,89 --> 00:13:35,54 Sampat it's probably. A little saucer was doing so. Well here that it was used on 133 00:13:35,55 --> 00:13:42,53 those in charge of the. Meeting. It was made 134 00:13:42,54 --> 00:13:47,92 when your baby slid twenty. Minutes so let's say you have four you know. 135 00:13:53,47 --> 00:14:00,42 You know. You can. Oh the devil told us how many cubic feet what was 136 00:14:00,46 --> 00:14:01,70 being said. 137 00:14:09,62 --> 00:14:16,57 He supposed to. Raise awareness and your requests. We're 138 00:14:17,13 --> 00:14:23,92 also. Hearing today and he said they could start getting pretty close to 139 00:14:24,67 --> 00:14:28,84 right. Here that was absolutely. 140 00:14:39,32 --> 00:14:43,81 So but the motion does the same thing but the metal plates you don't notice this is 141 00:14:44,14 --> 00:14:50,28 her younger board discussion if you keep going. To me number two here the security 142 00:14:50,29 --> 00:14:55,71 guy oh OK I just go with the steel biggest of steel plates because at first we were 143 00:14:55,72 --> 00:14:58,85 just saying surety by the way out of the steel plates because he said just put in 144 00:14:58,86 --> 00:15:05,23 the still. It's you're. Right that's right yes that's right. 145 00:15:06,96 --> 00:15:12,52 You know my. Wife is. Very. 146 00:15:15,99 --> 00:15:21,00 Good. I'm good. So we have more so. 147 00:15:32,71 --> 00:15:34,53 You want to have those planes with us. 148 00:15:39,49 --> 00:15:39,99 From here. 149 00:15:47,91 --> 00:15:51,23 When the planes and. We need. 150 00:15:58,87 --> 00:15:59,55 To bring out the. 151 00:16:05,77 --> 00:16:12,01 Right thank you. For this. 152 00:16:22,31 --> 00:16:22,46 One. 153 00:16:32,77 --> 00:16:37,75 This. Strange. 154 00:16:53,03 --> 00:16:59,98 Yes. I. 155 00:17:01,00 --> 00:17:07,83 Think it is. Right. For the I.Q. 156 00:17:08,19 --> 00:17:11,53 News. Person of officers. 157 00:17:17,91 --> 00:17:23,00 We should stamp this. Great of another. If it's. 158 00:17:25,57 --> 00:17:25,74 Not. 159 00:17:37,99 --> 00:17:44,59 Touch on the spine. That way. So. 160 00:17:59,51 --> 00:18:02,42 When it's election. Like. 161 00:18:09,69 --> 00:18:10,54 That you've done 162 00:18:10,55 --> 00:18:16,08 a wonderful job however I think that it's really good to toot for us to take the 163 00:18:16,09 --> 00:18:20,65 yeah and I would like to nominate Mark has been 164 00:18:20,66 --> 00:18:29,74 a vice chair to take over as chair. For 165 00:18:29,75 --> 00:18:36,74 his second but that also I think that. The paper. How do 166 00:18:36,75 --> 00:18:43,62 you feel about that. It was mentioned. And I guess I am 167 00:18:43,67 --> 00:18:48,23 I don't have it out but it's OK You know I am excited. Because I might have it if I 168 00:18:48,24 --> 00:18:53,30 can help it but I you know we all the empty office are right slim to be happening 169 00:18:53,31 --> 00:18:59,47 to me and I'm sorry but. I mean you know 170 00:19:00,43 --> 00:19:03,95 emotions for Vice on nominee Dorothy is feisty. 171 00:19:07,76 --> 00:19:12,11 All favor. The man and I think. 172 00:19:14,71 --> 00:19:16,28 That in time after this you know at 173 00:19:16,29 --> 00:19:20,81 a Gracie get next get real writing I never really liked hearing you know to be 174 00:19:20,82 --> 00:19:24,38 honest. With. Me. 175 00:19:30,46 --> 00:19:37,25 But I think. Rather take. The case to do to get the feel of 176 00:19:37,37 --> 00:19:42,11 being able to know how to run me. Which I think is 177 00:19:42,12 --> 00:19:47,66 a good thing you know. When you're 178 00:19:47,67 --> 00:19:54,47 a straight running their cases and there's always. That Anyway 179 00:19:55,34 --> 00:20:00,98 maybe mammary is here to lock you know it might not uncommon that the chairmanship 180 00:20:00,99 --> 00:20:07,89 have to go down that you right. There. Right you know so much to 181 00:20:07,90 --> 00:20:11,10 have any other business minutes you're. 182 00:20:15,31 --> 00:20:20,23 Going to have the minutes of thirty in the twenty third in May twenty four for the 183 00:20:20,24 --> 00:20:24,00 if it's already been a change to May twentieth 184 00:20:24,01 --> 00:20:28,51 a pitch to read out to Miller to roadless when he dies like you know I look at this 185 00:20:28,52 --> 00:20:29,43 and see this like there's 186 00:20:29,44 --> 00:20:35,06 a typo on the agenda that I think you know I don't think I'm the last line of any 187 00:20:35,07 --> 00:20:42,07 other anticipated business. I mean come on baby started that on your mind. 188 00:20:47,98 --> 00:20:54,80 And I believe it's I see OK and there's just one. For me down on 189 00:20:54,81 --> 00:20:58,03 the ME twenty and. Thirty make 190 00:20:58,04 --> 00:21:06,43 a living. In. This 191 00:21:06,44 --> 00:21:11,87 chair I. Can actually interrupt your process but hey everybody got the email that 192 00:21:11,88 --> 00:21:17,20 there are five Armenians counsel for my. I guess now it's my fault I apologize for 193 00:21:18,17 --> 00:21:24,53 not getting that posted last week I was required. So I did post the next two 194 00:21:24,54 --> 00:21:28,98 meeting sitting here so I don't have to remind myself. So we are meeting on the 195 00:21:28,99 --> 00:21:34,73 twenty fifth. And on. July sixteenth. 196 00:21:35,84 --> 00:21:41,74 David do we have the minutes from the meeting last week now you actually had to be 197 00:21:42,13 --> 00:21:46,84 done tomorrow Bill to by the midweek so this week because some of the board wasn't 198 00:21:47,17 --> 00:21:54,03 even human before so I am working on the worksheet for. Next week's meaning. 199 00:21:56,82 --> 00:22:03,79 So the change that we did make. Was it Mark. So I was 200 00:22:03,80 --> 00:22:07,89 here and I and John and Mark so we did make 201 00:22:07,90 --> 00:22:14,29 a change very hard there even though you know yes he would but no beginning no. We 202 00:22:14,30 --> 00:22:17,60 may change the parking requirements at which I mean the only change that we've made 203 00:22:17,60 --> 00:22:23,32 . And so we increased the. Minimum 204 00:22:24,07 --> 00:22:31,02 parking our requirements for residential uses. From one space 205 00:22:31,03 --> 00:22:36,97 per unit to one space per unit for studios and one bedrooms and one point five 206 00:22:37,32 --> 00:22:44,22 spaces per unit two or more bedrooms per unit. Which can be at that you round 207 00:22:44,23 --> 00:22:48,58 up. Then applies to all new units. On 208 00:22:48,59 --> 00:22:54,57 a parcel. The electorate on the first and. There are any. 209 00:22:55,96 --> 00:23:01,10 Records any minutes from previous years when I tried to find them there was nothing 210 00:23:01,11 --> 00:23:07,80 there on line. There are. It's hard to find so if you go to the 211 00:23:07,81 --> 00:23:13,60 planing Ford's home page right off to the left of planning boards home page is 212 00:23:13,61 --> 00:23:20,41 a link to the ad hoc Yup I got there. And there should be on the lot to that page 213 00:23:20,42 --> 00:23:20,68 there's 214 00:23:21,45 --> 00:23:28,22 a link to minutes. Nothing comes up it's what comes up unless it just changes but 215 00:23:28,23 --> 00:23:33,31 as of yesterday it would come up no agenda no matter whether you hit it or gender 216 00:23:33,43 --> 00:23:38,65 Yeah that's Usenet but it didn't matter if I hit minutes were originally. 217 00:23:40,59 --> 00:23:47,11 Well I'll have to look since I know why when I posted the last year's 218 00:23:47,12 --> 00:23:53,58 minutes relatively recently and. I know I was able to 219 00:23:53,80 --> 00:24:00,04 successfully navigate Peristyle OK Be it could be corrupted. To make another 220 00:24:00,05 --> 00:24:06,03 a good many people let me know so we can fix it. But it is. 221 00:24:07,35 --> 00:24:14,24 An awkward place well you know I didn't get to be all right. If you can't get it 222 00:24:14,24 --> 00:24:20,39 so you have to know but it's not easy to find. But again they're not standing for 223 00:24:20,40 --> 00:24:24,12 me so I I could. Ask 224 00:24:24,13 --> 00:24:28,42 a temp card just to move all the minutes to your page your opinions page I think 225 00:24:29,03 --> 00:24:35,04 that would probably be cleaner it would be in the I still can't understand why this 226 00:24:35,22 --> 00:24:40,70 particular committee is not listed like the building committee or like an ad hoc 227 00:24:40,71 --> 00:24:47,04 committee they're not standing committee they're now saying town board. So they're 228 00:24:47,05 --> 00:24:53,22 not under any of the ethics or or are they under yet they are still they still 229 00:24:53,23 --> 00:24:59,27 generally comply with hoping Meanwhile they're still. But like Election Day works 230 00:24:59,28 --> 00:25:03,47 morning and I don't believe or maybe they were sworn in and they were scorn and say 231 00:25:03,47 --> 00:25:06,58 . No end of term limits or in 232 00:25:06,75 --> 00:25:10,46 a chair or any of them applies to them this committee to get 233 00:25:10,47 --> 00:25:12,39 a few. They do not get 234 00:25:12,40 --> 00:25:17,75 a free press but you clearly want it now anyway and they remind me mind of not 235 00:25:17,76 --> 00:25:18,75 everybody that. 236 00:25:26,85 --> 00:25:32,61 You know what. They're doing but the other well Tom boards generally are created by 237 00:25:32,62 --> 00:25:39,34 town meeting. Except for ad hoc working groups. That are curious about 238 00:25:39,35 --> 00:25:42,90 minutes are going to see those who. Write it is there proof. 239 00:25:46,70 --> 00:25:49,57 Absolutely. I mean I think it would be 240 00:25:49,58 --> 00:25:52,48 a big improvement to have the minutes under planning because then people can 241 00:25:52,49 --> 00:25:56,81 actually I mean reference it and see what kind of he's been don't have to target 242 00:25:56,82 --> 00:26:03,23 clerks. Just. Make sure it's easy but yeah I agree I think it's 243 00:26:03,24 --> 00:26:10,22 a lot cleaner because. Sometimes I. Have to remind myself where we're no I find 244 00:26:10,23 --> 00:26:14,39 this again and I think that's me out of the general public isn't going to know to 245 00:26:14,40 --> 00:26:18,50 look for an ad hoc I mean if they see that yeah I am going to know it has something 246 00:26:18,51 --> 00:26:19,15 to do by having 247 00:26:19,16 --> 00:26:25,06 a therapist and looking at any of our minutes. They'll know that they are going to 248 00:26:25,07 --> 00:26:31,67 help that's. Cool Where are we with the minutes. 249 00:26:33,26 --> 00:26:33,83 Still to have 250 00:26:33,84 --> 00:26:38,52 a vote for you to vote on May twentieth and then you have to go to your third. We 251 00:26:38,53 --> 00:26:42,07 have to vote and they could vote on that for me is everyone good I was fine I read 252 00:26:42,08 --> 00:26:47,39 a letter today. I do I make 253 00:26:47,40 --> 00:26:54,07 a motion to accept the minutes May twentieth as written all second was amended now 254 00:26:54,08 --> 00:27:00,68 there's an invalid sorry one that when I first read as amended Marian you're the 255 00:27:00,69 --> 00:27:02,85 second just all over. 256 00:27:09,43 --> 00:27:14,49 The other for this one for the team so this way if. 257 00:27:19,74 --> 00:27:20,63 I move to 258 00:27:20,64 --> 00:27:27,53 a period meeting minutes from June third twenty eight team as written. Second. 259 00:27:29,36 --> 00:27:34,20 They were. OK I wasn't tempted. 260 00:27:36,43 --> 00:27:42,47 But the. I'll make 261 00:27:42,48 --> 00:27:48,54 a motion to you and I'll second. And are you OK and thank you. 262 00:27:49,90 --> 00:27:51,36 Thank you I just started saying.